Understanding pricing of weapons? - Guild Wars Forums

mcsumo · Oct 10, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Hi
I am trying to get my head around what makes a weapon valuable. I have screens showing various weapons I have picked up and as far as I can gather they are not worth that much. I don't want to bug the PC gurus with it since they seem so busy and stressed, so I figured I would see what everyone else thinks. Here are the pics:-

Now the bone staff is quite high req but has a bonus poison reduction mod, halves all spells casting 10% is max with 2 nice max mods, I thought it should be worth something but apparently it aint.

The earth staff :- max, max mods, halves recharge all spells, better req....still worth nothing

Does a staff have to have recharge AND casting time mods to be worth anything or is it purely about the skin?

The Long Sword....only purple

, not max

, inherent mod not good......so although it is a highly sought after skin, worthless i reckon/

The Fellblade max

, only purple

, inherent mod not great.....everyone loves fellblades but I am guessing this isn't worth much either.

Lastly a nice little spatha, max

, gold

, max inherent while enchanted mod

, but spathas aren't all that popular i gather, so is it worth anything? I really dont know on that one.

Please help, I would really like to understand these things better. All points of view will be appreciated.

HawkofStorms · Oct 10, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Staffs must have recharge and casting mods to be considered worth anything. Just salvage the two staffs to get the insightful staff heads and then sell those for around 4k each.

And feel free to use the price check forum. More people then just price check guru's check there.

Mournblade · Oct 10, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

And more to the point - you can see everyone elses price checks and begin to learn the value of weapon skins, mods, etc. It can be pretty confusing at first but after a short while of studying you'll notice the patterns.

What makes a weapon more valuable?
-Max damage
-Max damage bonus (15% while over 50% being the most popular)
-Rare or desirable skin
-Gold (rare) color
-Low requirements
-Max modifiers

Stockholm · Oct 10, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

This is a good guid to pricing weapons.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3063024 sorry about that
Happy reading

Former Ruling · Oct 11, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

^ you gave no link lol

What makes a Weapon valuable for not:
1) Its Requirement. Low like 8 are always more expensive than high like 13.
2) For weapons, Its dmg mod. 15^50 is best, then 15 stance, 15 enchanted, and so on.
3) For Staves, It has to have Dual Inherent mods, a Casting time, and Recharge time mod.
4) For Sheilds, it has to have Dual max mods.
5) For Focii, Dual mods again needed
6) Skin VERY MUCH SO determines value. A 15^50 req8 Sparta is worth TONS less than a 15^50 req8 Gothic Sword for example.

Franco · Oct 11, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

-__- PCing forum ftw, and go merch that please.

HunterRose · Oct 11, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Also when considering pricing an item (I'm no expert) you have to condsider the market. A half spell recharge 10% mod is nice, but not on a staff because if you consider greens or even collector staffs they get 20% HSR 20% HCT but it's limited to a certain attribute. Now if the staff hade HSR 20% (skill) HCT 20% (skill) HSR 10% then you've got something. Also the Wraps on those staffs are max def vs phy but most caster are in the rear so damage isn't there main concern (in PvE). So most staff weilders are looking for +20% extended enchantments.

My advise, when you have good weapon that isn't great, pawn it off to new players in Ascalon/Senji Monastary for cheap like 500-2k, whatever. This way you get a better then merchant price and a new player gets to start of with a weapon that's helpful and stylish.

Or like stated above try to salvage the best mods and sell them. Espesically when Nightfall comes out, the new salvage system is gonna cause chaos in the economy.

Former Ruling · Oct 11, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Quote:

ow if the staff hade HSR 20% (skill) HCT 20% (skill) HSR 10% then you've got something.

You would have something because that is an impossible combination. You can have ONE Casting Time and ONE Recharge mod on them. So 20/20/10 is impossible.

All Staves are Rare and worth something if they have both a max casting and max recharge mod on them, though you are right that 20% of the same attribute is "better".

MOds on the weapons (be it staves or Weapons) NEVER effect the pricing of the weapons...slapping perfect mods on a weapon is something newer traders do thinking that their sword is worth more because they slapped a +30 on it..it isnt.

Warpy · Oct 11, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

You would have something because that is an impossible combination. You can have ONE Casting Time and ONE Recharge mod on them. So 20/20/10 is impossible.

Found this in a chest in UW, double damage mod, anyone seen one of those before?

Lil Macabre · Oct 11, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Found this in a chest in UW, double damage mod, anyone seen one of those before?

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

bart · Oct 11, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

quest reward i reckon... too lazy to check

Warpy · Oct 11, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Macabre

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

Not sure, but it was the chest near the Champion of Balthazar when you get your reward from the first quest. I also have seen ecto in FOW.

My mistake with saying UW but it was FOW, and yes I only have seen purple and golds from chests in UW and FOW, but this was from the large chest that doesn't require a key, so maybe it's different.

And that sword isn't crap.

And just so you know, it does drop in FOW and UW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Long_Sword

Maybe your comments are fake?

Tachyon · Oct 11, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Macabre

Since when did chests drop blue crap?

Fake.

Perhaps you'd like to explain exactly what's crap about blue weapons!

Better still, tell it to my Mesmer. She uses a blue, max damage 20/20 HCT/HRT Illusion staff and she'll degen you into nothingness.

mcsumo · Oct 11, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Well thanks for all the input guys (and gals)....I guess I just haven't seen enough really good drops yet to recognise the chaff from the wheat

. I will watch the PC forums closely to get more idea...now I am just getting to the stage where decent stuff drops for me.

Cheers!!

*lemming* · Oct 11, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Apologies for the OTness, but:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Not sure, but it was the chest near the Champion of Balthazar when you get your reward from the first quest. I also have seen ecto in FOW.

My mistake with saying UW but it was FOW, and yes I only have seen purple and golds from chests in UW and FOW, but this was from the large chest that doesn't require a key, so maybe it's different.

And that sword isn't crap.

And just so you know, it does drop in FOW and UW. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Long_Sword

Maybe your comments are fake?

1. Insulting people isn't a good idea.
2. That sword is crap, since it's non-max.
3. Chests don't drop blues.
4. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Garfazz...ng_%28Quest%29

lrn2wiki

Does-it-Matter · Oct 11, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Apologies for the OTness, but:

2. That sword is crap, since it's non-max.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the HoD sword isn't max, the Nolani wand isn't max, the Ogre-Slaying Knife wasn't max (and had a useless, at the time, mod). Oh, and lets not forget that a Crystaline of any mod and any req/stat would still put most weapons to shame.

Here's the thing people buying weapons for FUNCTIONALITY aren't the ones spending millions of gold, at least statistically more times than not. Often enough, you'll see those people using crafted weapons.

The other group, the one that digs deep into their pockets, are the ones that buy a weapon because its special, unique or because "others think its cool" (call it popular if you want, but that's the ultimate result.)

For those people they will shell out the big bucks for anything that is unique (and let me tell you, a double base damage mod sword is unique!) It doesn't matter if its max damage, or low req, or good mods (although those will help the price) these items automatically start at an incredibaly inflated rate.

So to sum up all those words

Non-max =/= crap for non-functionality-based items.

Buzzer · Oct 11, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Quote:

and let me tell you, a double base damage mod sword is unique!

Nope. This sword is from a quest in Piken Square as tehlemming pointed out.

Akhilleus · Oct 11, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

the best way; hands down, to learning pricing, is by observation.
go to various trade districts and simply watch the WTBs/WTSes, watch who sits for hours upon hours spamming, not getting what they ask, and who spams for secconds before getting what they need.
it takes a little more time than simply asking "hey, whats XXXXXXX worth?" but, you may not know if the other persons accurate or not, and unlike with (most, im one of the few people i know who would tell you if it was easy, hard, or moderatly difficult to buy/sell an item at whatever price) pricechecks from other people, you will get an idea of how difficult a time it will be buying/selling the item, and how long it will take you.
im sure there are some traders who dont use my methods, and prefer asking others, but i prefer to rely on myself, not others (who may be biased).

Sereng Amaranth · Oct 11, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

This thread has made a turn for the worse.

Back on track...

Pricing on staves are very hard to wrap your head around. Basically if it isn't as good or better than a green staff, it isn't worth it to try to sell. Some staves that have a weird mix of mods are very useful for certain builds. Just look at the mods on the staff and think about what type of character that it would be perfect for. Try making that character and see if it is better than another staff.

For instance, a Mo/N healer using Offering of Blood could use a quirky cesta I found yesterday. It was r8 Blood and HSR Healing 20%. If it had +5 energy and HCT 20% I could probably sell it for 30k.

Warpy · Oct 11, 2006, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Apologies for the OTness, but:

1. Insulting people isn't a good idea.

lrn2wiki

Please highlight my insult, so I can correct myself and apologise.

Oct 10, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06	#1
mcsumo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: SOS Profession: R/	Understanding pricing of weapons? Hi I am trying to get my head around what makes a weapon valuable. I have screens showing various weapons I have picked up and as far as I can gather they are not worth that much. I don't want to bug the PC gurus with it since they seem so busy and stressed, so I figured I would see what everyone else thinks. Here are the pics:- Now the bone staff is quite high req but has a bonus poison reduction mod, halves all spells casting 10% is max with 2 nice max mods, I thought it should be worth something but apparently it aint. The earth staff :- max, max mods, halves recharge all spells, better req....still worth nothing Does a staff have to have recharge AND casting time mods to be worth anything or is it purely about the skin? The Long Sword....only purple , not max , inherent mod not good......so although it is a highly sought after skin, worthless i reckon/ The Fellblade max , only purple , inherent mod not great.....everyone loves fellblades but I am guessing this isn't worth much either. Lastly a nice little spatha, max , gold , max inherent while enchanted mod , but spathas aren't all that popular i gather, so is it worth anything? I really dont know on that one. Please help, I would really like to understand these things better. All points of view will be appreciated.

Oct 10, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57	#4
Stockholm Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Censored Guild: Censored Profession: R/	This is a good guid to pricing weapons. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3063024 sorry about that Happy reading Last edited by Stockholm; Oct 11, 2006 at 12:27 AM // 00:27..

Oct 10, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11	#2
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Staffs must have recharge and casting mods to be considered worth anything. Just salvage the two staffs to get the insightful staff heads and then sell those for around 4k each. And feel free to use the price check forum. More people then just price check guru's check there.

Oct 10, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47	#3
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	And more to the point - you can see everyone elses price checks and begin to learn the value of weapon skins, mods, etc. It can be pretty confusing at first but after a short while of studying you'll notice the patterns. What makes a weapon more valuable? -Max damage -Max damage bonus (15% while over 50% being the most popular) -Rare or desirable skin -Gold (rare) color -Low requirements -Max modifiers

Oct 11, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22	#5
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	^ you gave no link lol What makes a Weapon valuable for not: 1) Its Requirement. Low like 8 are always more expensive than high like 13. 2) For weapons, Its dmg mod. 15^50 is best, then 15 stance, 15 enchanted, and so on. 3) For Staves, It has to have Dual Inherent mods, a Casting time, and Recharge time mod. 4) For Sheilds, it has to have Dual max mods. 5) For Focii, Dual mods again needed 6) Skin VERY MUCH SO determines value. A 15^50 req8 Sparta is worth TONS less than a 15^50 req8 Gothic Sword for example.

Oct 11, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40	#6
Franco Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England Guild: VoB Profession: Me/	-__- PCing forum ftw, and go merch that please.

Oct 11, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03	#7
HunterRose Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: Sixty Second Assassins Profession: A/Rt	Also when considering pricing an item (I'm no expert) you have to condsider the market. A half spell recharge 10% mod is nice, but not on a staff because if you consider greens or even collector staffs they get 20% HSR 20% HCT but it's limited to a certain attribute. Now if the staff hade HSR 20% (skill) HCT 20% (skill) HSR 10% then you've got something. Also the Wraps on those staffs are max def vs phy but most caster are in the rear so damage isn't there main concern (in PvE). So most staff weilders are looking for +20% extended enchantments. My advise, when you have good weapon that isn't great, pawn it off to new players in Ascalon/Senji Monastary for cheap like 500-2k, whatever. This way you get a better then merchant price and a new player gets to start of with a weapon that's helpful and stylish. Or like stated above try to salvage the best mods and sell them. Espesically when Nightfall comes out, the new salvage system is gonna cause chaos in the economy.

Oct 11, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27	#11
bart Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	quest reward i reckon... too lazy to check

Oct 11, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36	#14
mcsumo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: SOS Profession: R/	Well thanks for all the input guys (and gals)....I guess I just haven't seen enough really good drops yet to recognise the chaff from the wheat . I will watch the PC forums closely to get more idea...now I am just getting to the stage where decent stuff drops for me. Cheers!!

Oct 11, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#18
Akhilleus Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'. Guild: Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark] Profession: W/Mo	the best way; hands down, to learning pricing, is by observation. go to various trade districts and simply watch the WTBs/WTSes, watch who sits for hours upon hours spamming, not getting what they ask, and who spams for secconds before getting what they need. it takes a little more time than simply asking "hey, whats XXXXXXX worth?" but, you may not know if the other persons accurate or not, and unlike with (most, im one of the few people i know who would tell you if it was easy, hard, or moderatly difficult to buy/sell an item at whatever price) pricechecks from other people, you will get an idea of how difficult a time it will be buying/selling the item, and how long it will take you. im sure there are some traders who dont use my methods, and prefer asking others, but i prefer to rely on myself, not others (who may be biased).

Oct 11, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29	#19
Sereng Amaranth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Amazon Basin [AB]	This thread has made a turn for the worse. Back on track... Pricing on staves are very hard to wrap your head around. Basically if it isn't as good or better than a green staff, it isn't worth it to try to sell. Some staves that have a weird mix of mods are very useful for certain builds. Just look at the mods on the staff and think about what type of character that it would be perfect for. Try making that character and see if it is better than another staff. For instance, a Mo/N healer using Offering of Blood could use a quirky cesta I found yesterday. It was r8 Blood and HSR Healing 20%. If it had +5 energy and HCT 20% I could probably sell it for 30k.